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[10:33] <jerboaa> Hi, I'll be late for today's meeting. I have lecture until 12. See you all later!
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[11:53] <tlclark> Hi everyone
[11:54] <_Melanie> hi
[11:54] <farahj> Hi
[11:55] <_Melanie> I am runing the unit tests and I have 4 failures and 22 errors
[11:55] <_Melanie> am I the only one to have that much error?
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[11:57] <gabrl> Hi everyone
[11:57] <_Melanie> hi
[11:57] <_Melanie> gabrl: do you have failure/error when you run the unit tests?
[11:58] <gabrl> wait.. i'll check
[11:58] <gabrl> I had none yesterady
[11:58] <gabrl> did something changed?
[11:58] <_Melanie> I have 4 failures and 22 errors and I am wondering if I have broken something on my side
[11:58] <_Melanie> or if it is just like that for a while
[11:59] <gabrl> ...the tests are running
[11:59] <_Melanie> thanks
[11:59] <gabrl> 329 tests, 591 assertions, 0 failures, 0 errors
[11:59] <_Melanie> cool for you
[12:00] <gabrl> but not cool for you
[12:00] <gabrl> which one fails?
[12:01] <gabrl> I believe you have locally renamed a couple of things.. that I used in my tests... have they been renamed in the tests too? (little hint)
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[12:01] <_Melanie> I have a failure, per exemple on test_set_results_average(assignment_test.rb)
[12:01] <m_conley> Hello all!
[12:02] <gabrl> ok... well I'm not related to that
[12:02] <gabrl> m_conley: hi mike
[12:02] <simonlg> hi
[12:02] <_Melanie> probably due to my modif(change marks.rubic_criteria_id for marks.criteria_id),??
[12:03] <_Melanie> I am not sure, cause what Is ee sems to be good... but I am so poor in Ruby on Rails...
[12:03] <m_conley> Melanie: I wasn't aware that you had committed that yet...
[12:03] <_Melanie> what I see*
[12:03] <_Melanie> I have not commited it yet
[12:03] <_Melanie> I am runiing tests
[12:03] <_Melanie> runing*
[12:04] <m_conley> I see, I see
[12:04] <gabrl> melanie... you do remember how to use the ruby debugger... if found it so usefull in those case
[12:05] <reid> Hi everyone.
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[12:05] <_Melanie> I am very shy, but I am not sure how to use it...
[12:05] <tlclark_> sorry about that, my wireless connection was lost
[12:05] <m_conley> Hello reid!
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[12:06] <reid> Let's start and we'll hope that fgarces and jerboaa catch up.
[12:06] <m_conley> Not sure if jerboaa is just idling - emailed me saying he'd be a little late.
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[12:06] <fgarces> Hi
[12:06] <reid> fgarces: good timing. :-)
[12:07] <gabrl> _Melanie: I'll send you some tips...
[12:07] <gabrl> _Melanie: about rdebug...
[12:07] <fgarces> i just had the h1n1 shot and i had to wait 15 mins in the clinic
[12:07] <_Melanie> thanks gabrl, I really need it
[12:07] <m_conley> _Melanie: also: https://stanley.cdf.toronto.edu/drproject/csc49x/olm_rails/wiki/RailsDebugging
[12:07] <_Melanie> thanks m_conley
[12:08] <reid> I read through the status reports and it looks like everyone continues to make good progress. I haven't been able to keep up with the review reports, so I'd like to do a round through all the projects and get an update on how things are going.
[12:08] <m_conley> np
[12:08] <reid> We have two weeks left, so I'd also like to hear about what your plans are for the remaining time. (Yikes! only 2 weeks)
[12:09] <reid> Who wants to start.
[12:09] <reid> ?
[12:09] *** gabrl seconds that "yikes"
[12:10] <m_conley> How about FlexibleCriteria goes first?
[12:10] <gabrl> why not...
[12:10] <gabrl> I have to confess that on my side there wasn't much new stuff this week
[12:10] <gabrl> simon has some...
[12:11] <simonlg> I integrated Selenium
[12:11] <simonlg> We plan to finish our first 2 user stories with Unit, Selenium and Cucumber tests
[12:11] <gabrl> that's right
[12:11] <reid> cool stuff! Has anyone else tried out Selenium?
[12:11] <simonlg> I didn't commit yet
[12:11] <reid> ahh.
[12:12] <m_conley> reid: No, but I can't wait. :D
[12:12] <reid> I'm looking forward to seeing working.
[12:12] <simonlg> I got the ship it yesterday but didn't have time to commit it
[12:12] <gabrl> can't wait either
[12:12] <reid> Are the user stories part of your deliverables for your QA course?
[12:13] <simonlg> yes
[12:13] <reid> Or maybe I should ask the more general question of what you still have to deliver for the QA course.
[12:13] <gabrl> I'd say... we have to get our hands dirty with some unit/functional(selenium)/acceptance(cucumber) tests
[12:13] <gabrl> to them... the user stories are almost a pretext to that
[12:13] <gabrl> (my way of seeing things)
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[12:14] <reid> sounds good. I really like what you have all been doing with the tests and testing frameworks.
[12:14] <m_conley> Any luck with Machinist / FactoryGirl, etc?
[12:14] <gabrl> no luck with factory_girl
[12:15] <reid> is there a blog post in there?
[12:15] <gabrl> it seems the way repositories are "hacked" during the tests causes some problems when creating groups with factory_girl
[12:15] <gabrl> I'm not crazy bout the syntax either
[12:15] <gabrl> Next step is machinist
[12:15] <m_conley> hm
[12:16] <gabrl> I waited to have some concrete results before posting anything
[12:16] <m_conley> reid: No, I don't believe so.
[12:16] <reid> okay
[12:16] <gabrl> the post is still in a draft state on my HD
[12:16] <reid> How much work is left to do on the flexible marking scheme?
[12:17] <gabrl> the 2 users stories simon reffered to are mostly developped
[12:17] <reid> (Including writing up its current state so that someone else can pick it up in January)
[12:17] <m_conley> (meanwhile, might be a good idea for everyone else to be typing up their statuses, etc)
[12:17] <gabrl> tests are missing (selenium and cucumber)
[12:17] <_Melanie> I have worked on (rename marks.rubric_criteria_id for marks.criteia_id) this morning. I have run the unit test and got many error and failures... I will go through it today trying to find out what I have broken(on my side, I have commited nothing)... Hope will solved this afternoon...
[12:18] <m_conley> _Melanie: I've got class from 1-2, but afterwards, if you're still having problems, I can meet you in here, and we can walk through it.
[12:18] <reid> sounds good
[12:18] <_Melanie> thanks a lot
[12:18] <m_conley> Not a problem.
[12:19] <reid> Moving on?
[12:19] <gabrl> nothing to add on my side
[12:19] <reid> farahj?
[12:19] <farahj> I've now submitted review requests for incorporating the grade entry option onto the assignments page, the properties view, and the unit tests
[12:19] <farahj> I'm currently working on functional tests
[12:19] <farahj> (I'm about halfway through those)
[12:20] <farahj> Once that's done, I need to work on the table view and the attaching graders view and test those
[12:20] <farahj> I think my code freeze should be next weekend
[12:20] <jerboaa> Hi, I'm in - sorry for being late
[12:20] <reid> sounds good!
[12:21] <farahj> That way, I'll have time to work on my documentation and screen cast
[12:21] <m_conley> That's right - the screencasts...
[12:21] <reid> :-)
[12:21] <farahj> I think my past blog posts and notes I've taken along the way should help me with explaining the current state of the feature, how it works, etc.
[12:22] <reid> Thanks farahj.
[12:22] <reid> fgarces, how's the notes system coming?
[12:22] <m_conley> (tlclark too)
[12:22] <fgarces> slow
[12:23] <fgarces> i don't think we'll be able to test and document the whole system
[12:23] <tlclark_> I have the Notes tab mostly done and the delete action working. This should be committed soon and then I'll work on the Add new/Edit from the tab.
[12:23] <reid> That's okay. You should have a clear stopping point in mind though.
[12:24] <fgarces> apart from that, i uploaded a v1 of the modal dialog
[12:24] <tlclark_> We're definitely only going to be able to do notes on groupings for now.
[12:25] <reid> that's totally fine.
[12:25] <reid> Is there anything getting in your way (other than time?)
[12:25] <fgarces> not really, the notes system is quite straightforward
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[12:26] <tlclark_> My timing plan was to have the Notes system tasks done by next Saturday (the 28th) and then spend the week of Nov 30 working on the remaining maintenance tasks and since I don't have finals to worry about really, I'll spend a couple of days rounding out my time commitment with maintenance tasks the week of the 7th
[12:27] <reid> That sounds great. tlclark_, m_conley, jerboaa and I should consult on the high priority fixes for January.
[12:27] <m_conley> reid: Yep, sure.
[12:27] <jerboaa> ok - need to go through the existing tickets thoroughly
[12:28] <reid> jerboaa, any comments on your progress?
[12:28] <reid> (jerboaa, m_conley, and I spent 5 hours standing up and talking about MarkUs on Tuesday)
[12:28] <jerboaa> hmm, not really - most of my time is programming on markus right now.
[12:29] <farahj> reid, jerboaa, m_conley: The poster looked great!
[12:29] <reid> fixing bugs.
[12:29] <reid> We had fun presenting MarkUs at the RIA event on Tuesday. According to the organizers ~120 industry visitors attended. Severin Mike and I pretty much talked non-stop for 4-5 hours. I particularly liked bragging that everything is written by undergrad students. Quite a few people raised their eyebrows and nodded appreciatively.
[12:29] <m_conley> farahj: Severin's sweet design. :D
[12:29] <reid> In other news...
[12:29] <jerboaa> reid, until when would you need the automated testing part?
[12:30] <reid> Let's meet to talk about that.
[12:30] <reid> We've had a few more problems with the production instance. I'm looking forward to crawling out from under my avalanche of work and writing a stack of tickets. We had some good input from a grad student on potential UI improvements.
[12:30] <reid> I'm still looking for good students to continue work in the winter term. There is a trip to Toronto again. Please let anyone know who might be interested.
[12:31] <m_conley> (or see if you can come back! :D )
[12:31] <reid> I think fgarces and farahj are interested. :-)
[12:31] <farahj> Yes!
[12:31] <fgarces> Yes I am
[12:31] <gabrl> I am too
[12:32] <reid> :-) :-)
[12:32] <m_conley> That's fantastic! :D Love it.
[12:32] <gabrl> but ULaval is not "registered" for next years UCOSP
[12:32] <gabrl> I'll see if I can help it
[12:32] <reid> That's not a problem.
[12:32] <jerboaa> I hope you don't mind if I stick around :-)
[12:32] <reid> at least from my end.
[12:32] <m_conley> gabrl: Might be useful to poke Greg on that too - he can be pretty wily and influential
[12:32] <gabrl> well... I still have to fit this in a course
[12:33] <gabrl> looking into it
[12:33] <m_conley> jerboaa: Of course. ;)
[12:33] <reid> gabrl: please do see how you could work this into another course.
[12:33] <gabrl> reid: will do
[12:34] <reid> I would be thrilled to have as many people as are interested continue in any capacity they can.
[12:34] <simonlg> There is a course called "Project in Software engineering". Maybe a team will work on a project from UCOSP
[12:34] <tlclark_> At UW, I'm enrolled in the CS 499R, "Readings in Computer Science" course
[12:34] <reid> One problem with the distributed projects is that I can't invite everyone over for a party. :-(
[12:34] <gabrl> that's what I'll try to do
[12:35] <gabrl> that course is supposed to be for a "real" (hear industry) client
[12:35] <gabrl> we'll see if an open-source project can fit in
[12:35] <reid> We have real users.
[12:35] <reid> Finally, I want to do a post mortum meeting to talk about how things went. We can do it on Friday December 4 as the main agenda item, but it may take a bit longer than an hour, especially if we have other wrapup things to discuss. Should we consider finding a different time?
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[12:36] <simonlg> It's fine for me
[12:36] <m_conley> Dec 4th is the last day of classes here, I believe.
[12:36] <tlclark_> I have no specific commitments after our meeting
[12:36] <reid> I don't want to get in the way of final exams or other end of term things.
[12:36] <tlclark_> Ours is Dec 5th
[12:36] <m_conley> tlclark: Saturday? Yeesh. :p
[12:36] <gabrl> one good thing... the program direction just changed and the new program director is Mrs Tawbi (which is in charge of our QA course... meanin she already know about USCOSP... that's a good starting point
[12:36] <fgarces> i am fine with dec 4th